Sun 28 Jan 2007
I will never do Section 8 again! I know some people love the program and believe that the supposed “guaranteed” rent is worth it, but not me. I just had a very long time Section 8 tenant that I inherited with a building move out. Finally. We could have evicted her many times for violating the terms of her lease, but we never did because we knew her apartment would need to be completely rehabbed after she left. Well, that day is here.
She gave written notice in November that she’d be moving out the week before Christmas. Contractors were lined up, and we had a verbal committment from a new tenant for January 1. Of course a few days before the move out date, Section 8 Cindy calls to say she’s not moving out right now after all because her new apartment is not ready for her yet.
My property manager told her this was fine, as the January 1 tenant didn’t appear to be panning out anyway and this would give us a little more time for the contractors to do their work. It was the holidays after all.
So Section 8 Cindy moves out mid-January. It was made perfectly clear to her social worker that we would not be prorating the rent. They’d pay for the full month. Also discussed was the condition of the apartment and what would be expected upon move out. The place was trashed and we wanted the county to chip in for part of the rehab expenses. The security deposit was not going to make a dent in the expenses required to bring the unit up to rent ready again. The social worker said that we could work something out and agreed to oversee the move out and the subsequent cleaning.
Well, three social workers later and post move out, here is what we have.
We have a lovely medicine cabinet full of personal effects. I can’t help but notice all of the deoderant that is being left behind. This might be related in some distant way to the fact that the bathtub has been full of laundry for the last x number of years. Yep. That means no bathing. And the deoderant is piling up and is seemingly not wanted enough to take it along upon exit. Hmmm.
Then we have the rest of the bathroom that has been “cleaned.” You must understand this really is clean compared to how it looked before. She gets an E for effort but $0 in credits toward getting her security deposit back.
Behind door #2 we have the kitchen. The refrigerator has never been cleaned, and now certainly wasn’t an excuse to do it for the first time.
Let your eyes wander to the kitchen cabinets and walls and you’ll see a full array of food splatter that reaches proportions beyond the wildest cooking I’ve ever done.
Also note the condition of the floor where the table used to be.



Finally, back out in the main room we see a small sample of the furniture and garbage that was left behind.
The current social worker has indeed been to the apartment and has confirmed that it is cleaned to her satisfaction and that a full refund of the security deposit is warranted. It’s a classic case of the blind leading the blind. I charge $50 if a mere coat hanger is left behind, not to mention furniture, trash, food, feces, and years worth of dirt and grime.
Apparently the conversation about the county sharing in the rehab expenses was not passed along to the latest social worker. There has been no consistency, no action, and no educated response to anything we’ve put into the black hole of the county Section 8 establishment.
The rehab work is underway and I should have some new photos of it and a breakdown of money spent soon.
13 Responses to “No More Section 8”
Leave a Reply
You must be logged in to post a comment.
January 28th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
[…] Baseball Quote 2: John Lowenstein ”Sure, I screwed up that sacrifice bunt, but look at it this way. I’m a better bunter than a billion Chinese. Those poor suckers can’t bunt at all.” Batting third, in leftfield is number 3: Anesia Springborn, the general manager of the Carnival of Real Estate Investing who allowed me to host the carnival this week. Springborn presented an article titled: No More Section 8, where she wrote about a section 8 tenant that she had inherited and vowed never again to rent to a section 8 tenant. […]
January 29th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Anesia, I feel your pain on this situation. This was not the kind of tennant that any of us wants to have to deal with. Being forced to doesn’t help, it just makes it more frustrating. At least it is almost in the past and hopefully a lot learned.
Some people that I have known just love to get Section 8 income. There are way too many who just “milk the system” and really don’t care who it affects. I believe that each tennant should be evaluated according to their own merits and unique needs though.
February 1st, 2007 at 8:57 pm
I don’t think this is just due to Section 8. I’ve seen many regular tenants leave a place much worse. It all comes down to getting a good tenant. Personally, I like to deal with higher end rentals.
February 2nd, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Agree - many people are disrespectful slobs. I’ve seen how the government operates their Section 8 program in this county and it’s a disaster. I don’t have time to waste on their disorganization so now that this tenant is out I am opting out of the program completely. Our strategy has been to have some of the nicest units in town so that we can choose our tenants carefully, and this is the last unit to turnover and be rehabbed.
February 5th, 2007 at 6:37 am
Hello Anesia,
Well as Kenric mentioned I don’t think this is anything to do with Section 8 and it depends on the tenant who had lived in that place. Well at the same time it’s best to have a nice tenants so that we don’t have to worry about out house. Hope you will get a nice tenant next time.
February 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
To clarify, the problem I have with Section 8 is that it’s run by the government at the county level. Wish they were more organized and understood a thread about business, but they just don’t. Tenants will be tenants, but fighting with “city hall” is not my cup of tea.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:51 am
I sympathise with how your property was left. I’m not a landlord myself but in my line of work I see homes left like this fairly often.
At least on this occasion you had security deposit. Any is better than none at all.
February 7th, 2007 at 10:38 am
I can completely understand why you are glad that this tenant left. She left the place an absolute mess and for the social worker to say that it has been cleaned to his/her satisfaction is ridiculous. I don’t rent to Section 8s either specifically because of the way it is administrated. You should have asked the social worker if she was willing to leave in that filth!
February 7th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Hi Anesia thats awful what people can do. I have a tenant on a rental assistance program that pays 100% plus any damage she does. Its rare but they are out there and unfortunately when dealing with low income properties these are some of the headaches. Keep posting I enjoy your posts.
Thanks,
Don
My real estate adventures
www.massivepassivecash.blogspot.com
February 8th, 2007 at 7:49 am
Your experience with social workers and the Section 8 voucher program may be universal.
I bet you that the county and some free legal services sues to get back the deposit for the county and the former tenant.
chsw (a metro NYC property manager)
February 9th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
That’s pitiful. I can’t believe they would consider that to be “satisfactory”. I’ve never heard of those types of problems with Section 8 and am surprised that they had offered to pay for clean up in the apartment in the first place. That seems like a stretch to me, but I’m not super familiar with them.
I’m anxious to see how you clean the place up for tenants in your upcoming pics.
February 10th, 2007 at 8:11 pm
Your story and photos are amazing - amazing because your tenant obviously has so little regard for themselves or for their surroundings. I can’t wait to see your “after” photos once everything is cleaned up.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:41 am
[…] Baseball Quote 2: John Lowenstein ”Sure, I screwed up that sacrifice bunt, but look at it this way. I’m a better bunter than a billion Chinese. Those poor suckers can’t bunt at all.” Batting third, in leftfield is number 3: Anesia Springborn, the general manager of the Carnival of Real Estate Investing who allowed me to host the carnival this week. Springborn presented an article titled: No More Section 8, where she wrote about a section 8 tenant that she had inherited and vowed never again to rent to a section 8 tenant. […]